Write-thru Monday AM on UPDATED, Sunday AM: Even though Disney’s Pirates of the Caribbean: Dead Men Tell No Tales will bust into the top 25 global openings of all time with an estimated $275M by tomorrow, make no mistake: In the United States, this summer is on the verge of serious franchise fatigue, and this is only the beginning.
Early signs of this crept up last weekend when 20th Century Fox’s Alien: Covenant charted below both its $40M tracking with a $36.1M opening but also its first prequel Prometheus by 29%. And no, we’re not counting Marvel’s Guardians of the Galaxy Vol. 2 as part of the sequel slowdown, as that film will beat its first installment at the domestic B.O. with an estimated running cume through Monday of $337.6M.
After hitting tracking four weeks ago in the $90M-$100M range, Pirates 5 will come in with an estimated $62.6M over three days, and $77M over four days. On a three-day basis, Pirates 5 is -31% from its previous sequel On Stranger Tides six years ago, and on a four-day-basis, -34% from At World’s End a decade years ago. Meanwhile, Paramount tried to start a new R-rated comedy series with Baywatch, and that deep-sixed with $22.5M over four-days and $27M to $27.7M over five days off a negative cost in high-$60M range.
How can two movies that excelled in their testing underperform stateside?
In the case of Pirates 5, I hear that the movie had the highest test scores in the history of the series. Once audiences get into the movie, they seem to be enjoying it with an A- CinemaScore, higher than the B+ of On Stranger Tides and in line with the second title Dead Man’s Chest and At World’s End, and an 82% positive score. The franchise is still fresh abroad, and given its glorious overseas opening, the movie will certainly be profitable for Disney with an anticipated final global haul of $800M-$900M.
Meanwhile, Baywatch tested over a 91 three times. In all fairness to Disney, the stakes were higher here for Paramount: It needed a home run to start the summer but came in 48% below tracking. Pirates 5 was only $5M off the low end of the $80M Disney was expecting this weekend.
Insiders close to both films blame Rotten Tomatoes, with Pirates 5 and Baywatch respectively earning 32% and 19% Rotten. The critic aggregation site increasingly is slowing down the potential business of popcorn movies. Pirates 5 and Baywatch aren’t built for critics but rather general audiences, and once upon a time these types of films — a family adventure and a raunchy R-rated comedy — were critic-proof. Many of those in the industry severely question how Rotten Tomatoes computes the its ratings, and the fact that these scores run on Fandango (which owns RT) is an even bigger problem.
Both Pirates 5 and Baywatch started high on tracking four weeks ago, $90M-$100M over four and $50M over five days respectively, and the minute Rotten Tomatoes hit, those estimates collapsed. Over the weekend, I heard that some studio insiders want to hold off critic screenings until opening day or cancel them all together (that’s pretty ambitious and would cause much ire, we’ll see if that ever happens). Already, studios and agencies are studying RT scores’ impact on advance ticket sales and tracking.
“There’s just not a great date on the calendar to open a poorly reviewed movie,” said one studio marketing vet this morning.
There were also other complications with Pirates 5 and Baywatch. Arguably, Pirates’ marketing seemed to be a blur with all of its previous sequels. This clearly wasn’t Jack Sparrow’s Skyfall. Some disagree with that, saying that Disney did its best to distinguish the film, selling it on the rivalry between Jack Sparrow and Javier Bardem’s Captain Salazar. Many point to Johnny Depp’s depreciating public image amid his personal problems as a factor for the slowdown stateside, not to mention its his same old shtick onscreen; this also was an excuse last year for why Alice Through the Looking Glass cracked, making only $300M worldwide off a $170M negative cost. One marketing executive felt that Disney did a great job trying to make Depp likable again by having him surprise guests on the Pirates of the Caribbean Disneyland ride back in April. However, the biggest reason tracking estimates dropped on this movie was the sour reviews. And when you’re coming off a previous sequel that critics didn’t like, you truly need an awesome movie to reverse the B.O. tides.
On the bright side for Disney, it crossed the $1 billion mark this weekend at the domestic B.O., the first studio to do so this year. It gives props to Pirates 5 for pushing it over that mark, though Beauty and the Beast ($500.6M) and Guardians of the Galaxy Vol. 2 ($333.2M through Sunday) and this year’s carryover of 2016’s Rogue One: A Star Wars Story ($123.9M) combined to rep $957.7M worth of 2017’s business for the Burbank-based studio.
The onus for making Baywatch stemmed from the fact that it was one of the world’s most-watched TV shows around the globe. But the brand comes with a lot of baggage. First off, it’s a guilty pleasure and cheesy, and it’s inherently sexist. All of these factors proved a challenge for Paramount when tailoring trailers (if positioning wasn’t right, the results would flatline). Another problem: Most under 25 aren’t familiar with Baywatch as a TV show. That demo turned out at 45% and enjoyed the movie (A-), but they didn’t show up in great numbers. More females showed up (52%) than guys (48%) as Paramount sold the comedy on its beefcake assets and not its babes, yielding a lower turnout among older males.
Let’s not forget, Baywatch was always a guy property. So why did 21 Jump Street work again? It’s a less complicated brand than Baywatch. And even though Mission: Impossible broke through in 1996 in regards to TV adaptations on the big screen, 21 Jump Street broke the mold as far as a cop show being completely re-imagined as a comedy. We’re in different box office times now for comedies. Also as the old saying goes, dying is easy, comedy is hard, and it’s becoming more impossible to launch comedies in today’s theatrical landscape. Just ask Ben Stiller and Adam Sandler.
— Anthony D’Alessandro Sunday AM with Anita Busch Write-thru on Monday AM
Studio reported figures as of Sunday AM for Memorial Day weekend 2017:
1.). Pirates of the Caribbean: Dead Men Tell No Tales (DIS), 4,276 theaters / $23.3M Fri. (includes $5.5M previews) / $20.3M Sat. / $18.5M Sun. / $14.4M Mon. / 3-day cume: $62.6M / 4-day: $77M / Wk 1
2.). The Guardians Of The Galaxy Vol. 2 (DIS), 3,871 theaters (-476) / $5.3M Fri.(-39%) / $7.8M Sat. / $7.5M Sun. / $4.5M Mon. to $6M / 3-day cume: $20.6M (-43%) / 4-day: $25M to $27M / Total: $338M / Wk 4
3.). Baywatch (FOX), 3,647 theaters / $5.7M Fri. / $6.6M Sat. / $6.2M Sun. / $4.6M Mon. / 3-day cume: $18.45M / 4-day: $22.5M / Total: $27M to $27.7M / Wk 1 (Wednesday bow)
4.). Alien: Covenant (FOX), 3,772 theaters (+11) / $3M Fri. / $3.9M Sat. / $3.7M Sun. / $2.6M Mon. / 3-day cume: $10.7M (-70%) / 4-day: $13.3M / Total: $60M+ / Wk 2
5.). Everything, Everything (WB/MGM), 2,801 theaters / $2M Fri. / $2.2M Sat. / $1.79M Sun. / $1.5M Mon. / 3-day cume: $5.98M (-49%) / 4-day: $7.4M / Total: $22.7M / Wk 2
6.). Diary Of A Wimpy Kid: The Long Haul (FOX), 3,174 theaters (+17) / $1.3M Fri. / $1.7M Sat. / $1.5M Sun. / Mon. $1.5M / 3-day cume: $4.47M (-37%) / 4-day: $5.9M / Total: $15M / Wk 2
7.). Snatched (FOX), 2,658 theaters (-853) / $1M Fri. /$1.5M Sat. / $1.36M Sun. / $1.1M Mon. / 3-day cume: $3.8M (-50%) / 4-day:$4.9M / Total: $41.1M / Wk 3
8.). King Arthur: Legend Of The Sword (WB/VR), 2,503 theaters (-1,199) / $875K Fri. /$1.2M Sat. / $1.1M Sun. / $930K Mon. / 3-day cume: $3.2M (-55%) / 4-day:$4.1M / Total: $34.8M / Wk 3
9.) The Boss Baby (Fox) 1,342 (-729), $415K Fri. / $660K Sat. / $640K Sun. / $650K Mon. / 3-day: $1.7M (-40%) / 4-day: $2.3M / Total: $169.6M / Wk 9
10). The Beauty and the Beast (DIS), 1,076 theaters (-716) / $350K Fri. /$649K Sat. / $523K Sun. / $410K Mon. / 3-day cume: $1.5M (-43%) / 4-day: $1.9M / Total cume: $500.9M / Wk 11
Write-thru 8:18 AM Saturday off 9:56 PM Friday Update: Memorial Day weekend at the box office — remember when it actually used to have some significance?
Ever since Sony moved the start of summer to the first weekend in May with 2002’s Spider-Man ($114.8M), it has arguably never been the same, with bigger films launching in the first corridor of the month and sucking up all the air at the B.O. (case in point: This weekend, Disney/Marvel’s Guardians of the Galaxy Vol. 2 is beating Paramount’s Baywatch for second place with an estimated $20.3M to $20.6M over 3-days and $26.5M to $26.8M over 4-days in its fourth frame).
However, the problem with this holiday stretch in recent years isn’t because moviegoers have abandoned it for beaches and barbecues, rather it’s due to the lackluster product that’s out there from offbeat I.P. to dull Nth sequels –i.e. Prince of Persia, Tomorrowland, Alice Through the Looking Glass, Baywatch and the blasé turnout for X-Men: Apocalypse and now this year’s Pirates of the Caribbean: Dead Men Tell No Tales which at a $230M negative cost before P&A is coming in well below its $80M-$85M projections with $62.7M to $63.7M over 3-days and $76M to $78M. Each year we stand here and look ahead thinking next year’s goods are going to reverse this soft Memorial Day trend. Fingers crossed for Disney/Lucasfilm’s Han Solo Star Wars anthology movie next year.
Let’s start with Pirates: Even though stateside this is the second lowest opening of the series, charting below the fourth installment On Stranger Tides ($90.1M), by the time Sunday arrives, I hear Disney will be fine with this movie on a global basis, which looks to come in between $250M-$260M. The pic’s buckling here in U.S./Canada stems strictly from — what’s new? The movie in its marketing looks exactly like the other four titles which are all a blur plot-wise, and the only film the critics love in the franchise is the first one at 79% fresh. Dead Men Tell No Tales has 32% which is equal to On Stranger Tides‘s RT score, both the lowest for the franchise.
Disney never bothered to fix this franchise in the same way that they ensure that Marvel, Lucasfilm, and their animated fare win over both audiences and reviewers. What’s going on here with Dead Men Tell No Tales that distinguishes it from its predecessors and makes it a want-to-see? Story-wise, it sure isn’t Jack Sparrow’s Skyfall. Those buying tickets seem to have no regrets, giving it an A- CinemaScore, which is higher than the B+ of On Stranger Tides, and in line with the second title Dead Man’s Chest and At World’s End. Disney is expecting a pop tomorrow from family matinees.
But again, Pirates will win overseas, and in building this ship, Disney knew that, and probably was bracing for domestic to under-perform. After On Stranger Tides came up short with the lowest domestic total in the series at $241M (and this sequel likely lower), Disney propelled that fourthquel to an amazing $1.045 billion take. China is the market that will get Dead Men Tell No Tales over its hump as Nancy Tartaglione pointed out in our curtain raiser, and it definitely helps that Disney held the world premiere there, the first ever for a Hollywood title. The fifthquel is a fresher franchise abroad in burgeoning cinematic markets, and that’s what the upside is here.
Dead Men Tell No Tales drew 51% men to 49% women. Those under 18 at 20% gave the movie an A. Forty percent came out for Johnny Depp per CinemaScore, grading it an A-, while 42% came out for subject matter and 38% for type of movie, which indicates that Pirates fans came out for this.
But maybe the industry just needs to look at the possibility that movie audiences may have been franchised to death.
On the bright side for Disney, Beauty and the Beast will become the eighth title in domestic B.O. history to cross $500M (by Sunday) and also Sunday, GOTG2 will have officially beaten its predecessor’s U.S./Canada total ($333.1M).
Baywatch isn’t bailing out Paramount after an atrocious 2017 at the domestic B.O. that includes xXx: The Return of Xander Cage, Monster Trucks, Rings and Ghost in the Shell. Tracking had this movie over 5 days in the $40M range, maybe even hitting $50M, and this Dwayne Johnson-Zac Efron combo is going to come in with $24.8 to $25M+ over five days, just a tad higher than the three-day for Neighbors 2:Sorority Rising ($21.8M opening/$55.4M domestic). Baywatch is close to twice the price of Neighbors 2, which carried a negative cost before P&A of $35M.
So after the Super Bowl spot, all the rah-rah at CinemaCon (the Paramount presentation fell flat with exhibitors), the “fun” trailers, why did Baywatch sink? Some attribute it to how TV properties have become harder to adapt for the big screen, the last casualty being Dax Shepard’s low budget version of CHiPs at $18.6M domestic, but even riskier was that Paramount took a general audience action series from the 1990s and turned into an R-rated movie. But the biggest oversight by Paramount, according to sources is that they sold Baywatch primarily to women in its beefcakes of Johnson and Efron and not the guys. Remember, Baywatch was always a guy show, its poster girl being Pamela Anderson. So where’s the poster girl, here?
Dwayne Johnson in an R-rated action movie seems to be his sweet spot, so maybe this R-rated on-the-beach-with-babes film may have been better suited dropping during Spring Break. Overall, this Paramount/Skydance picture garnered a B+ Cinemascore, with the core audience split in terms of gender with 48% male and 52% female. And 45% of the audience 25 and under gave the film an A-.
Baywatch will open in 32 international markets, representing 65% of its ultimate foreign footprint.
Filing fourth is 20th Century Fox’s Alien: Covenant with an estimated $12.3M over 3-days (-66%) and $13.75M over four for a running total of $60.5M by end of Monday.
1). Pirates of the Caribbean: Dead Men Tell No Tales (DIS), 4,276 theaters / $23.4M Fri. (includes $5.5M previews) / 3-day cume: $62.7M to $63.7M / 4-day: $76M to $78M / Wk 1
2). The Guardians Of The Galaxy Vol. 2 (DIS), 3,871 theaters (-476) / $5.3M Fri.(-39%) / 3-day cume: $20.3M to $20.6M (-41%) / 4-day: $26.5M to $26.8M / Total: $339.9M / Wk 4
3). Baywatch (PAR), 3,647 theaters / $5.7M Fri. / 3-day cume: $16.5M to $17M / 4-day: $20M to $21M / Total: $24.8M to $25.8M / Wk 1 Wednesday bow
4). Alien: Covenant (FOX), 3,772 theaters (+11) / $3M Fri. (-80%) / 3-day cume: $11M (-69%) / 4-day: $13.75M / Total: $60.5M / Wk 2
5). Everything, Everything (WB/MGM), 2,801 theaters / $2M Fri. (-57%) / 3-day cume: $6.8M to $7.5M (-34%) / 4-day: $8.5M to $9.7M / Total: $24M to $25M / Wk 2
6). Diary Of A Wimpy Kid: The Long Haul (FOX), 3,174 theaters (+17) / $1.28M Fri. (-36%) / 3-day cume: $4.8M (-32%) / 4-day: $6.47M / Total: $15.6M / Wk 2
7). Snatched (FOX), 2,658 theaters (-853) / $1M Fri. (-54%) / 3-day cume: $3.9M (-49%) / 4-day: $4.87M to $5.2M / Total: $41M+ / Wk 3
8). King Arthur: Legend Of The Sword (WB/VR), 2,503 theaters (-1,199) / $870K (-56%) Fri. / 3-day cume: $3.29M (-54%) / 4-day: $4.18M to $4.24M / Total: $34.8M / Wk 3
9). The Boss Baby (Fox) 1,342 (-729), $425K Fri (-28%) / 3-day: $1.6M to $2M (-42%) / 4-day: $2.2M to $2.8M / Total: $169.4M to $170.1M / Wk 9
10). The Fate Of The Furious (UNI), 1,358 theaters (-929) / $470K Fri. (-55%) / 3-day cume: $1.47M (-56%) / 4-day: $1.85M / Total cume: $222.9M / Wk 7
—Anthony D’Alessandro with write-thru update by Anita Busch
UPDATED, Friday 12:10 PM: Matinee grosses are starting to come in and so far the fifth installment of Disney’s, Jerry Bruckheimer and Johnny Depp’s Pirates franchise is playing well. Pirates of the Caribbean: Dead Men Tell No Tales is on track to take in about $24M to $26M today — that includes the $5.5M it grossed in previews last night. So that means that right now, it’s estimated to take around $65M for the three-day with a four-day weekend of right around $75M to $80M. On the flipside, Paramount Pictures’ R-rated hopeful Baywatch may only take in $6.5M to $7M today with a four-day holiday of $23M to $24M and a five-day cume right around what we said this AM: $27M to $29M. Baywatch is stuck in the sand, playing slow in its first two nights of evening play so grosses might even dip lower. Will see how it plays tonight but so far it’s not seeing any big audience play on that rating.
The holdovers Marvel/Disney’s Guardians of the Galaxy Vol. 2 may end up with a three-day take of $19M and a four-day around $24M while Fox and Ridley Scott’ s Alien: Covenant may take in anywhere between $13M and $14M for the weekend and $17M by the end of the four-day holiday. – Anita Busch
UPDATED, 8:33 AM: Disney’s Pirates of the Caribbean: Dead Men Tell No Tales took to the sea last night with $5.5M at 7 PM in previews and now sets sail in 4,276 theaters tonight So where does that stand? Pirates‘ previews were ahead of the $4.2M preview grosses for both The Jungle Book (which opened in April, 2016) and Maleficent (which opened for the Memorial Day holiday, 2014). Still looking at $80M to $85M for the four-day, although it is very, very early right now. Overseas, the film is hitting at No. 1 in each market. For more on that, read, Nancy Tartaglione’s international report today.
Paramount Pictures’ Baywatch‘s first day on the beach earned an estimated $4.5M (which includes $1.25M from Wednesday’s previews), according to two industry estimates, as the Memorial Day weekend goes full swing tonight. The R-rated feature based on the TV show which stars Dwayne ‘The Rock’ Johnson and Zac Efron, is now in 3,647 theaters. Not a great start.
Disney can also celebrate as its live-action musical Beauty and the Beast is hovering just under the $500M mark domestically after last night’s audience pushed it to $499M. Also, look for MGM/Warner Bros.’ Everything, Everything to hold well in its second weekend of play as the young females audience will keep its grosses up and when they come to the theater, it’s usually in packs.
In terms of production cost, Baywatch is in the high–$60M range and was hoping for a $40M four-day weekend (it looks now to do less, like $28M) while Pirates should double that estimate that are around $80M-$85M on a budget of about $230M. It is also opening overseas and those numbers are just coming in. With the UK box office in turmoil due to to the horrific terrorist attack (probably down about 20%), the top territories looks to be France and likely South Korea.
In 2007, Pirates of the Caribbean: At World’s End opened to $114.7M for the three day and $139.8M to become the biggest four-day Memorial Day opener on 4,362 locales. If this fifth in the Disney and Jerry Bruckheimer franchise opens to between $80M and $85M, then it will off just a smidgen from the opening of the last film Pirates of the Caribbean: On Stranger Tides which grabbed $90.15M in 4,164 theaters. Overseas, Stranger Tides ended up with $804.6M or roughly 77% of the total gross which topped $1B.
Stranger Tides reportedly brought in $4.7M in previews and X-Men: Apocalypse tallied $8.2M from previews last Memorial Day, before settling in with a $79.8M four-day gross in 4,153 theaters.
Both pictures are doing exceptionally well on social media, but not too good with the critics who may be just out of step with the moviegoing audience. However, Baywatch got just a B+ CinemaScore last night (same as King Arthur did when it bowed) and Pirates rating from its core audience is yet to come.
–Anita Busch
Just saying, I absolutely loved Pirates 5. What the heck were the critics smoking?
Not sure but I’ll be curious to see what Baywatch can do after seeing several unfunny trailers. Yes, I know, it’s only my opinion. Everyone has a different take on what’s funny. Dwayne is so likable. If this succeeds it will be largely because of him.
Of course it’s not the main reason for the low numbers–it’s a sh*tty movie– but I’m surprised no one is mentioning Dwayne bad-mouthing the President a few months ago concerning the (much needed) travel ban. Believe me, conservative viewers remember stuff like that when it comes time to buy a movie ticket.
believe you… because why? The only thing Conservatives know about Johnson is that he was once a wrestler. They’d follow him over a cliff to see him co-star in a movie about a talking horse.
You don’t have Clue One what Conservatives think, dipshit. You couldn’t possibly. There’s not a single show on television that truly represents the Conservative Americans. What you have in your mind is a caricature of Conservatism. Why don’t you just have the guts to admit you’re an ignorant television/liberal university robot? See, THERE’S a realistic depiction of a political side
Also you need to start coming to terms with the fact that the average Intellectual Conservative is Considerably Smarter than the average Intellectual Liberal. There’s another true to life depiction for you
Whatever happened to the Conservatives? There used to be rational, intellectual conservatives around before. Not the smart ones come from the Libertarian camp, and the so-called Conservatives are floundering in their flawed rhetoric and empty punditry. As for the Libs, the most vocal ones seem as bad as the ‘Right’, in terms of letting emotion and ideology run rampant.
Oh wait, were we talking about how disappointing this Summer’s box office has been apart from GOTG? Comic book movies to the rescue! (referring to GOTG and WW).
“the average Intellectual Conservative is Considerably Smarter than the average Intellectual Liberal”
That is hysterical and mis-guided : the idea that one side of idiots is somehow smarter than the other side of idiots. Face it, you’re married to your political identity. You couldn’t survive without it, and you can’t handle being attacked. Dumb Conservatives sit on their asses all weekend watching TNT Fast and Furious marathons and complaining that the country sucks. Dumb Liberals watch CNN and do the same. You’re too foolish to know that you’re just a silly pawn no one thinks even once about.
@turnitup As I said, you’re clueless. You have this caricature in your head with no understanding of reality. You’re contrary for the sake of being contrary. It also appears you lack any conviction outside of what brings you the most pleasure in life. I also get the impression you’ll never put forth an ounce of effort to ever learn the truth about anything that doesn’t enhance your own selfish life somehow. Plus yes, I’m smarter than you right this second than you’ll ever be a day in your life… Even if you lived another 100 years. That’s the type of confidence one feels knowing they stand for something far bigger than themselves. Attaining that type of life direction requires countless hours sacrificed for the sake of grasping history’s influence on our lives today. All this requires sacrifice of self. Do you have what’s necessary to do that?
@turnitup One final note: you’ll know you’re on the right track when you finally realize it’s not about politics, it’s about Historical Understanding. Political Parties are like Sports Franchises. History reveals Cause & Effect. History also entices you to be honest, even if hurts you
Obviously, because it impacted so much on the FATE OF THE FURIOUS box office.
How did that conservative ban work on Beauty and tbe Beast? Movie made a billion dollars worldwide….Wake up Trumptards…
BATB missed out on a couple hundred million buddy.
Everybody bad-mouths Trump, and their movies do just fine. Maybe the next time it rains you can blame that on someone talking bad about your president.
Wait a minute… aren’t you really Hans Gruber?
You know, Johnny made an hour long video depicting Cheezy Jabba Trump as a drooling, mumbly-mouthed baffoon and his movie is doing great.
It had nothing to do with politics. The trailer was dumb.
I saw baywatch trailer when I went to watch Pirates 5. It was funny but yeah, some parts are really cringy.. I think more girls watch baywatch bc it shows two sexy hunks as main characters. If they wanna target male audience they should use normal looking guys instead.
I saw wonder woman’s trailer too, it looked awesome! I think I’m gunna watch it when it’s out.
Here’s a place ,
again and again the same story.
Why would anyone make R rated
baywatch, the product brand is G,
long established as a G ,
changing baywatch to an R is like trying to
introduce a new product brand.
moms don’t take the kids to an R
a lot of adults don’t enjoy sitting in a theatre
next to a bunch of strangers mentally
jerking off to an R rated movie. It’s creepy.
Guys!!!!!!!!! creepy guy movies rated R.
Omg how stupid.
A better question the why didn’t baywatch perform is who allowed the use of the name baywatch on an R rated product.
Thanks for ruining the only movie everyone
was looking forward to.
And it needed a Pam Anderson. These girls were too tall and masculine looking. Sorry.
an
Calling on all WGA, DGA, and SAG members to boycott and not work with any studio that advertises on Rotten Tomatoes or IMDB. We must stop malicious movie critics from smearing our work. This is far more important than the strike.
It’s like saying to stop working with anyone in the industry who tried to ask you out, and made a pass at you!!! Meaningless.
Calling on all WGA, DGA and SAG members to make better movies that will get better reviews from “malicious” critics who are actually just doing their jobs.
After how awful the last one was it would take a lot to get me to return to the series.
Good to know.
I think the 4th one was great, except for the mermaid and the christian guy part. I dislike romance in movies like PoTC. If I wanna watch romance I’d go for a romantic movie instead of an action/adventure one. If there weren’t Will and Beth in Pirates 1, 2 and 3, it’d be great. But I like their characters in the movies bc of their bravery to uphold honor, which most pirate characters lack. I just dislike romance in it. Like Jack said in Pirates 5, “It’s a revolting sight” in an action film.
i gave up on listening to movie critics a long time ago. There are no more real movie critics anymore. They have forgotten how to critic a movie for its achievements in story, acting, and overall goal as a stand alone movie. Now the first thing out of their mouth is whether its better or worst than previous movies or some other movie.
So many movies have been buried and destroyed by critics when in fact they could just be fun popcorn flicks and or serious work of art.
and how many of those just like to critic to see how many clicks they can get for their advertisers. sadly sites like rotton tomatoe have helped devalue the art of criticing because now anyone can be a critic
LOL. Until they agree with you, and then you’re shouting from the rooftops like everyone else. Too funny.
After the 1st film, the Pirates movies have been AWFUL. They’ve been deservedly destroyed by critics – they weren’t “fun popcorn flicks.” The majority of moviegoers have extremely low expectations – especially during the Summer. This is why the Transformers movies have made billions around the world while being some of the worst films ever made.
Reviewers DO critique movies with respect to acting, story and “overall goal” as a movie. They get it right. You just don’t agree. Move on.
The critics are just hundreds of billions who watched the movie. Those who liked the movie don’t usually bother to comment on it like the ones who disliked it do.
Agree – the first Pirates was great, the rest have been trash. People have kept going because they keep hoping the magic of the first will resurface. It hasn’t, and eventually that catches up with you. The Pirates failure is pretty simple.
Baywatch on the other hand surprises me. Deadline’s mumblety-peg on why 21 Jump Street worked and Baywatch didn’t aside, really no one has any idea what didn’t go right with this one other than that it sucked. But that’s never really stopped audiences before.
So right, after the first one, the rest have been gawdawful. Haven’t watched any of them. Way too dark and CGI driven.
I agree completely. Ray and click bait and @franchise” movies killed movie criticism. There is none. Not one who could carry the weight of Kael or Ebert.
“Now the first thing out of their mouth is whether its better or worst than previous movies…”
It would seem that’s an entirely legitimate approach when reviewing the fifth film in a franchise like PIRATES OF THE CARIBBEAN.
So they have forgotten how to critic a movie?
No the audiences just get dumber and less discriminating by the minute. And usually the dumbest ones are the ones railing against critics who still have some semblance of taste.
So only the ones who agreed on your opinions or the critics’ aren’t dumb people?
I loved POTC5 – IMO not perfect, but satisfying, rollicking, funny, lush, full of imagination, Rush and Barden rock it and Depp in fine form as Jack – wanna go see it again! Re critic negative reviews some of them just seem determined to find fault – phhht, this movie was a ride!
The same critics who lauded Guardians 2? LMAO.
You fall in the minority then. Don’t interpret that as a compliment. In some cases, sure. But not yours
Given these latest estimates, it’s clearly not just the critics who hate P5.
No, most unbiased people are loving it.
Aw, I’ve seen you over on Variety too! The worlds biggest JD apologist – or perhaps Johnny himself, because who else would defend him so vigorously? Nope, most are not. Not loving it, not loving him. Your idol has fallen.
Pretty sure Johnny has better things to do.
Most are loving it, and loving him. My idol is currently dominating the box office worldwide.
The audience acores for the film were really high. It averaged an A for all groups. I’d say it’s safe to say those who went and saw it were very entertained. So if someone were to say that audiences really enjoyed the film, based on tracking you have to say that, yes, they dd.
both films will bomb
lmao. Pirates isn’t bombing. You’re an idiot.
Pirates is going to end up with the lowest opening weekend take of the series, Bob. That’s called “bombing.” It’s doing alright internationally, but since the studio only gets to keep maybe a third of that after the various other entities get their cut, POC5 will be extremely lucky if it breaks even.
If you can’t do math, you’re the idiot.
Its already surpassed its production budget before the weekend is over and will surpass the marketing budget by week’s end. Everything from week 2+ is profit. By any measurement, that’s a success
You have not considered the theatre owners share of boxoffice. Disney might get half the boxoffice in the USA and less from international. So boxoffice needs to be at least double production costs before a movie looks profitable.
You say critics may be out of step with audiences. But then you say that Baywatch had the same cinemascore as King Arthur, which makes it seem like audiences agreed with critics. Which is it, the two are contradictory?
no what he said makes perfect sense, both were panned by critics but got decent audience score B+
B+ isn’t that decent. You really think audiences liked Arthur that much?
I heard that quite a lot of people liked King Arthur. A “B+” score is considered pretty good. Last week’s “Wimpy Kid” movie got a “C+”, which is really bad for a family film.
A “B+” score is decent. I’ve seen films with worse scores recently like “The Circle”, which had a “D+”. So a “B+” isn’t that bad.
Anything below a A is a bad Cinemascore.
these days it takes a lot to get an audience out to see a movie. If the audience for an action comedy like Bay Watch don’t leave it smiling and give it an A, or at least an A-, then something is wrong.
No something would be wrong if it didn’t bomb. Seeing it fail in such spectacular fashion is restoring my trust in the movie going public.
There was too much going on in this film. It kept jumping from thing to thing, and we never got enough time to become invested in anyone or any of the jumbled plot lines. The women were the best part of the film, and they barely got any screen time or lines. The two most unlikeable characters were the two dudes, and they were basically in every single frame excluding the brief times when the villains were engaging in villainy.
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Efron’s character was annoying, but intentionally so. The Rock was just horribly miscast here. He was smug, and just a jerk. All in all, we never had a chance to root for any of the actors. The chemistry was noticeable, but we never had a chance to see them all together saving brief stretches.
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As the author of the piece correctly states, the TV show featured the ladies, and the movie focused on the dudes. Very disappointing.
If they’d cast Dwayne Johnson as King Arthur, it might have had a prayer.
There are too many reviewers. And since half are fanboy bloggers with no idea how to read a film, they’re prone to groupthink and wind up reviewing the culture around a film as much as the film itself.
I don’t know what went down with Amber Heard, but the blue chechmark mafia has deemed Depp an abuser and no Fusion hack with 4000 Twitter followers is going to risk being banished from the herd for “normalizing” such a monster by providing an honest, unbiased review.
Major disconnect between the reviews and the final product on this one.
I expect next week wonder woman will make 70 million opening weekend and 55% rotten tomatoes.
Ww looks awful :0)
Usual marvel fanboy dc is doomed comment. You could be right about rotten tomatoes score but there is no chance wonder woman opens below 100ml.
Totally delusional D.C. Fanboy thinking that after two terrible movies in a row that this turd will open over 100 million. 70 million tops.
Biased and illiterate marvel fanboy. Your knowledge of box office is as bad as your taste of movies.
Good will from previous movies can give you a boost but the ultimate selling point is the quality of the movie.
Isn’t that the pot calling the kettle black? I think your anti-Marvel bias is clouding your logic circuits. The last two DC films have been everything else but quality. Only buffoons like you believe otherwise. Recognizing you as a buffoon allows everyone else to ignore anything you have to say… Especially in regards to Marvel/DC films. You’re too partial to be fair-minded
As a Marvel fan, I am looking forward to Wonder Woman. It’s the one DCEU film I’m rooting for. I predict an RT score between 80% to 85% and an opening weekend over $100 million.
Agree 100! I’m a Marvel fan but I’ve always loved DC comics as a kid, and I would love it if WW was a great film – it would be the first WATCHABLE DC film, and we need one, finally.
Sadly, I think it may not get over $90 opening, but we shall see.
I’m always dubious when the studio embargoes reviews up to the last moment. Warner Bros did the same thing with Batman V Superman AND Suicide Squad. Remember how that turned out? I’m not saying Wonder Woman will follow in tow but early signs are pointing downward. It may get less venom than the other two due to its promotion of feminist agendas; ie: Ghostbusters. Then again, it MAY turn out to be a fantastic movie. I guess we’ll know soon enough
“early signs are pointing downward”.what early signs? And for your information the embargo will be lifted on memorial day.
And BvSreviews(166ml) and Suicide Squad(132ml) opening wasn’t hurt by bad critical reviews. Bad word of mouth killed BvS and suicide Squad legs were just fine.
Suicide Squad had no competition. You are WAY too simpleminded to take seriously. At least we can make fun of you behind your back
What day do you think Memorial Day falls on? What day does Wonder Woman open? How many days’ difference does that make. I read your inane Bullshit on here all the time, @Ted. When are you going to learn to either Understand what the hell you’re talking about rather than ranting like a Nut… specifically you are the consummate DC Nutjob. Last word is yours, adolescent
Wasn’t being simpleminded a criteria to enjoy marvel movies? That’s why you marvel fans are satisfied with every mediocre garbage marvel puts out. You mind is incapable of great things.
And wonder woman will open >100ml even with bad critical reviews. And critics aren’t that capable of changing opening weekend outcome.
No chance, huh?
I saw it last night. I wasn’t expecting much, especially given what I heard was a troubled production, but it was AWESOME!!! Old-fashioned entertainment, awesome action, real emotion and depth — and I didn’t think I was a Gal Gadot fan, but she was amazing. Loved seeing her and Lynda Carter chatting at the after party. I think it will exceed expectations and make closer to 100 mil.
Not with my money tho. I expect WW to look like, you know, Wonder Woman. And women don’t need any more uber-skinny types onscreen – huh. Just feels like folks are desperate to give WW a pass, no matter what, after the SS and BvS fails. Meanwhile, the Marvel juggernaut rolls on. Gadot would be a great Middle Earth elf, tho.
From the images I’ve seen so far, Gadot looks to have close to the same physical type in the movie as Wonder Woman did in the comics. Hard to see where all this “uber-skinny” criticism is coming from. I’m looking forward to WONDER WOMAN and hoping it’s a step up from the previous DCEU movies.
It really doesn’t matter for me. It looks like every other generic comic book movies that’s being churned out these days and after Man Of Steel, I’ve jumped ship on them all because it’s now become tired and stale for me but they’ll keep making them regardless of how myself or others whose suffering from CBM fatigue feel about them.
Studio Plant
Yep…I feel if WW was soon great, why the critics embargo until the day before release?
WW embargo lifts on monday not day before release
Oh, THREE DAYS before release. Marvel Studios post their reviews TWO WEEKS before their movies open. Why? Because they actually Believe in what they’re doing rather than just reacting to trends like incompetent unethical cowards. That’s why it’s wise to NEVER take Warner Bros at its word. They’ve proven themselves cheats, liars & frauds… Much like most of the DC online Fandom is
I wonder if the people hoping for Wonder Woman’s BO failure and the people calling Marvel weak for their own BO totals are in the same camp.
But seriously, this is a female-driven superhero movie, and it looks infinitely better than Catwoman, in that it doesn’t look like they got everything wrong about the title character. I think WW can open to $125M. However it ends up performing critically, let’s just hope it beats Transformers 5 at the box office.
$125M?! You’re delusional. The studio has embargoed reviews because they know the word of mouth on this one is going to be brutal.
125 no but 90-100 is certainly possible, it will easily win domestically but internationally transformers is going to be huge
Don’t you think Disney would be screaming out BIG numbers…if there were BIG numbers for Pirates. As said many moons ago, this will be by far the weakest Disney tentpole in a long time. I am sure Disney is thrilled to no longer be the home for Bruckheimer. His ship of success sailed long. long ago.
Alice 2.
I think Disney has their hands full this weekend and it looks like their main focus at least for thursday,friday and saturday are to get as much press for their big theme park offerings that are premiering. Pandora and Mission break out. Both of those are dominating the news media at the moment with hi praise and huge positive vibe. I doubt they want to take that focus away from another movie release until more solid numbers are in by Saturday
“this will be by far the weakest Disney tentpole in a long time”
Alice Through the Looking Glass would like a word with you.
This is NOT a tentpole franchise. Alice 2 was just one sequel of a total of TWO films.
John Carter?
Once again, a failed one off. Folks, tentpole franchises are Batman, Iron Man, Star Wars, Transformers, Fast and Furious, etc. So, please, react anyway you want to my previous comment, but stay on the same page.
There are a number of John Carter novels that they could have adapted had it hit. Beyond that there are books that follow his martian family where he appears as a secondary character. They wanted a franchise out of it.
Green Lantern?
Alice in Wonderland was absolutely planned as an ongoing franchise.
Pirates 5 was awesome! The critics are out to lunch.
Except when they agree with you, right?
Disagree. Like one of the things some critics were complaining about is Jack being Jack Sparrow…yeah, well, that’s who I want to see. Trickster badass Jack. I don’t need to see him “evolve” and start pondering life etc. It’s almost like some of the critics WANTED this movie to fail. Then “Crystal Skull” IMO which to me was horrible and sad got a lot of good ratings. Maybe a lot of critics are based in Colorado?
The only time we’re going to get totally unbiased reviews is when a film has nothing to do with politics, governmental AND social. Otherwise we get reviews based on a person’s personal politics, which totally explains Ghostbusters. Plus sometimes the mainstream media is way behind on interpreting movies cuz they Just. Don’t. Get it
LOL. No.
@Dave LOL YES.
Disagree. Example: The same b*tcing and moaning DC fans who said every reviewer is “paid off” and “disconnected from the fans” when they reviewed Batman V Superman will be doing cartwheels if Wonder Woman gets good reviews.
Critics don’t want anything to fail. After the first Pirates film, they’ve been godawful. Does that mean you can’t enjoy them? Of course not! I like plenty of movies I know are bad – and that’s OK. I’ve also hated many movies that critics have loved. But more often than not, they are pretty spot on.
Again, the point stands. People hate critics until they agree with them, and then it’s retweet city. Moving on.
King Arthur has better ratings on RT, go watch that instead!
Warner Bros plant. They’re on every Freaking comment section
Jeez, Paramount really just can’t get a break. They can’t even make a Dwayne Johnson film a hit. Everyone else can. Not them.
Dwayne is yet another actor the media claims is a “star” like Pratt and Lawrence that doesn’t put buts in seats
Don’t forget Christian Bale. The only butts he puts in seats are DC Nutjobs & Nolanite Freaks. Speaking of Nolanite Freaks, the guy who writes for pro.boxoffice.com is an obvious Freak. Read his ass-kissing Long Range Report about Dunkirk then read the previous two months’ worth. You’ll notice a HUGE discrepancy in vocabulary, ass-kissing & “Analysis” (I use the word sparingly)
So true on C Bale. Without some batsuit, he’s net a big draw at all. And I cant stand Nolanites and Nolan.
No star today can save a weak vehicle. Put Tom Hanks in SULLY and people line up. Put him in THE CIRCLE, not so much. Same with Johnson. SAN ANDREAS and CENTRAL INTELLIGENCE were hits but saving a turkey like BAYWATCH is beyond even him.
Yeah, but looking historically stars have usually not been able to save bad films – especially action stars. The truth is that action stars not playing James Bond or named Gibson, Ford (or Burt Reynolds in the 70’s) the script matters a lot to even action films. The script wasn’t there for this one.
Ha! It’s a good thing that Bozo Flynn announced the sequel to the next installment of the Baywatch franchise. Talk about counting your chickens before they hatch.
Happens alot. I remember Ryan Reynolds & WB were going on & on about the sequels to Green Lantern. What sequels? It’s a ploy used to sucker audiences to see the movie when the studio making it knows they have a stinker
Indeed. Remember when we were going to get two sequels to TERMINATOR: GENISYS…until it opened?
Or when Lori Petty was looking forward to multiple sequels of Tank Girl.
It will make more than enough money to get a sequel.
Ya think? It’s currently tanking. It needs at least $150M+ globally to break even. $26M opening isn’t going to help. I guess it could make tons overseas, though.
“Baywatch” the TV series was enormous overseas. They’ll make plenty there, more than enough to make it profitable.
I’m totally with the others on this. Pirates 5 was epic! I loved it! Perfect finale to wrap up the legacy where At World’s End left off.
But is it really a finale? Something tells me they’ll keep churning these out…
@James It’s not a finale. Did you see the scene after the credits?
So they ignored the 4th film? lol
They also ignored the second film where Tia Dalma talks about trading the compass to Jack.
I don’t think they ignored anything. Tia Dalma was a goddess. She probably created the compass for Jack asking for something in return, so it’s fine for her to trade it since it’s her creation. Remember what Jack wanted most?
His desire was freedom and the compass leads to it. Jack probably gave the compass to his captain bc he himself was not a captain and didn’t command the ship. He had given the compass away to many people including Will and Gibs. I think by betraying his own desire aka freedom Jack betrayed the compass thus lead to it unleash his ultimate fear (Salazar hunts ALL pirates which includes Jack, Jack would not have freedom if he was being chased everywhere even when he’s on his beloved ocean).
Going to see pirates v today and might see Baywatch when available to stream.
Nothing wrong with R rated for Baywatch, just the hype wasn’t there and the marketing died out in the last few weeks. Had potential. Zac Efron is also a box office killer… when will they learn?
The Rock isn’t exactly catnip for audiences either. He’s great in true ensembles or established franchises. But he’s not a co-lead, carry the film on his shoulders type of guy (and I’m not sure there are any of those left anymore). Regardless, he was horribly miscast here. As was the miniscule Efron trying to pass for an Olympic gold medalist in swimming (such males are usually pushing 6-3 at the bare minimum). They didn’t look like life guards. Neither did Jon Bass, but that was clearly intentional. The ladies were fine, and this film would have worked if each one were given substantially more time.
CENTRAL INTELLIGENCE and SAN ANDREAS would like to disagree with you.
Looking forward to Pirates based on audience reactions coming in. Also, Deadline said it was good so not all critics in agreement.
I’m about to watch a second time lol. It is good. Don’t let the critics judge what you’re watching for you.
Could care less about Pirates but I was wondering what Baywatch was projected to do this weekend? I personally never had it doing more than $30 million for the 3-day because of the R rating and the marketing got weak the past couple of weeks but maybe near that number for the 4-day which is possible but I think it gets to $25 million for the total 4-days.
The phrase you’re looking for is “couldn’t care less.”
Thank god FINALLY! Everyone gets that wrong.
Rotten Tomatoes killed Baywatch… people aren’t going to make a 19% fresh film a priority and will just stay home and watch Netflix.
Hmmm…so if the GOTG2 early estimate holds (and the movie has actually exceeded early estimates every week so far), it will drop less than 50% for the three-day and surpass the original by the end of the four-day weekend, not to mention that it will beat the final totals of both the big DCEU movies last year. Just heading off Reality Check and his type at the pass.
Don’t worry, they can still claim it’s a bust if it doesn’t pass the adjusted domestic total of the dirst. Since it’ll outgross the first one on all counts, arguing about adjusted is all they have left to try.
DC fans, many of the ones on here, are a plague to the stable-thinking genre fans. They think too highly of themselves, they’re too insecure to admit they’re wrong (MOST of the time) & they’re too biased & childish to try & talk to. That is, unless you just enjoy being around those type of people. I sure as hell don’t
It’s definitely looking to make $370-380M on US and $900M+ globally.
Baywatch needed a Fat guy ( everyday man type) in the mix learning how to be a hero..that would make a better movie.
Um…you pretty much just described Jon Bass’ character in BAYWATCH.
Yeah, but he wasn’t one of the two big leads. If they dumped Efron, it would have been a better (and cheaper) choice.
Yep and this is why the 21 Jump Street was successful. Because they cast Jonah
It looks like the planned Alien sequel is in real trouble right now. Kind of surprised by Baywatch too. Looks like The Rock isn’t bullet proof either.
Alien Covenant was disappointing and awful. Bad word of mouth killed it.
Lower budget helps and it has the two big Asian markets to go so it could get to $300-335 when all is said and done, which would be similar to the 400 Prometheus made on a 40 million higher budget, a lot of which came from 3d showings which this didn’t have, so it could be a similar haul for both by the end. Seeing as how this didn’t have a star the likes of Theron pulling them in, maybe that was as good as they could’ve hoped for. Scott insists there are 2 more coming, with Awakening actually being a prequel to this sequel, which is an interesting concept if he can pull it off, and then the bridge from this story to the original Alien. The critics really liked it which may also help. Only time will tell.
I agree with pretty much everything but Theron isn’t really a draw,let alone five yeas ago. It doesn’t matter for these movies.
But let’s be real is there an actor who can draw a lot of people to watch a movie this time and age? Because the quality of the movie speaks louder to whoever leads the movie….obviously familiar faces helps with viewing chemistry that’s for sure…but still big draw?
He also is attempting, in a very quiet way, to build a shared universe between Alien and Blade Runner. There were a lot of odes to Blade in this film, the kiss between the two androids, the talk of dreaming, the notion that androids/synthetics have surpassed their human creators, etc. They also use the same warning signal on the ship as they do in Blade and a few other similar lines and themes throughout. Perhaps ultimately his end game is the thought of humans, their creations and being surpassed by them. Also not a coincidence that one of the story men for this is the writer for the new Blade. There is also, in the last trailer for Blade, what appears to be an Engineer being preserved when they walk through that hall of preserved objects. So, depending on the performance of the new Blade film in October, that could also endure good will with the studio. Again, time will tell with all this. I’d like to see Scott be given the chance to finish this vision just to see if he can really pull it all off.
He didn’t split the baby right. He ran away from Prometheus in several big ways, but kept the film Prometheus-esque enough that anyone who hated Prometheus will find plenty to hate here too. People hated that Prometheus scene where the explorers “played” with the snake in the water and in this movie many more characters die for many stupider decisions than that. The “flute” scene got bad laughs from the crowd here. He made a terrible decision writing Shaw out and then not casting the very telegenic woman from Rogue Nation. Instead he cast a truly unphotogenic actress who showed not much more warmth or charisma here than she did in the godawful Fantastic Beasts. This movie was well-directed, but disappointing on the writing and casting level. Fox is clueless for pursuing this series but not the Blomkampf sequel, which would open at blockbuster levels.
I love the Alien films, but honestly I have no interest in seeing a 70 something Weaver run around from Aliens. Ressurection did very poorly and Blomkamp’s films have all gotten progressively worse to the point where he might not even be getting any work as he goes. Plus, each Alien film, until Prometheus, did worse than the last, with Ressurection being by far the worst. Even Aliens did far less business than the original and a lot of people consider is a better film. Covenant at least will be the second highest grossing worldwide when all is said and done and Scott insists everything will come together once all 4 films are made. So do you trust the originator of the story who brought you the three biggest entries, the original, Prometheus and this, or a guy who’s films have gotten progressively worse and who hasn’t directed anything since Chappie and with an actress in her golden years who wasn’t a draw for the franchise as it went, but you’re hoping nostalgia brings the crowds out? That’s the question Fox faces.
I have to correct one thing, Aliens did make more money than Alien, but it sold far less tickets. I should’ve made that more clear and that the audience dwindled as it went. And I was going off total gross worldwide for saying the last 2 films will be the biggest in the franchise, obviously more tickets were sold in NA for earlier installments, but WW gross is a fairly recent-past 25 years, concept. Always funny to think that 50 million tickets earned you so much less than 30 million tickets today.
ALIENS actually did more business than the original back at the time. And if COVENANT becomes the second biggest film in the series, it’s only because most of the others came out 20 years ago or more. It’s not an accurate comparison at all.
At anonymous, I corrected that but as I pointed out it sold far less tickets than the original which why I said it did “less business” not made less miney. It sold far fewer tickets than Alien did.
alien will end its worldwide run at 230/250, china hates sci-fi movies and after one week there’s transformers there…if we will have a new movie it will be just one
Their tastes may be changing though. Resident Evil was huge in China, no one saw that coming. It was so much so that they could actually be planning another one now. If whatever the final cut is for this in China is more action based I could see it pulling in 50-70 million. And Japan was huge for Prometheus so if it does similar there then that is 70-90 million from those two markets. It will be around 180 after this weekend with those two markets to go and at least another month in theaters in all markets. 300 isn’t out of the question.
Scott has made 2 crappy Alien movies in a row. We should’t have to sit through 2-4 more to get his “point” or “ultimate message.” We get the point, Ridley, you make shitty Alien sequels. Your batting average of quality films gets worse with each new picture you make. Focus on a good script for once.
@ Schedule, it is interesting the conversation above about how critics were being both ridiculed and defended above. Both of these films were widely praised by critics. So you’re saying the critics were wrong?
High 20s-30 million is decent for Baywatch. It never looked all that great. It will recoup it’s production cost.
It needs at least $150M to break even, I believe. I guess most of that could be made overseas. It certainly won’t be made here if that opening number holds.
This weekend’s top four:
Sequel
Sequel
Remake of a crappy TV show
Sequel
Not seeing any reason to go to the movie theatre this holiday weekend. I’ll enjoy the nice weather instead.
What were you hoping for this Memorial weekend? Oscar bait dramas like Moonlight or Manchester by Sea?
Last year people were flocking to superheroes and talking animals not black gays and grief stricken middle aged farts.
Apologies, I’m not so good with subtext…You’re saying you’d enjoy seeing more racially diverse dramas?
I was being sarcastic. Racially diverse dramas make sod all at the best of times. My point is given the choice between a swashbuckling family adventure and a racially diverse drama, why would you choose the latter?
Racially diverse drama HIDDEN FIGURES and racially diverse horror film GET OUT did some pretty good business this year.
Pirates 5 is 6:1 love vs hate suggesting an Apocalypse like opening will hold up. I think it’ll be a tad lower as both Variety & HR gave it a 40. Baywatch is DOA with 3:1 hate vs love.
Critics are not winning many over to Alien:C. Best case now has it catching AVP after Mon with $64M. It’s weakness has put Gv2 on pace to beat adj Gv1’s $364M, but WW & The Mummy will likely change that.
Gv1 made $333M.
” has put Gv2 on pace to beat adj Gv1’s $364M, but WW & The Mummy will likely change that.”
That is not what you said last week, OM Logan. You said:
“While Gv2’s TPA fell behind Gv1 for good on Mon, it’s a lock to beat unadj Gv1, but adj (367) looks out of reach.” You also said that GOTG2 would ” . . . . lose 2/3rds of it’s cinemas at the end of May.”
Clearly, you were wrong (you won’t acknowledge it) on both accounts. Yet, you double down with no data to support your *new* “analysis”.
I love The Rock, but Baywatch was very uneven. It starts off well, but the laughs become very sporadic. The movie is spinning its wheels from Act 2 forward. Priyanka Chopra was godawful. I’ve also noticed that there is a lot of footage in the TV spots (Efron and The Rock on a pink scooter) that didn’t make the final cut. I wonder if the movie was mangled in the editing room.
Suspect pirates of Caribbean will take in a lot of bucks. Been a long time since last Pirates movie.
If you read the script, you’d know exactly where it was “mangled.” Too many cooks in that kitchen.
Exactly. I knew BAYWATCH was in trouble when I saw that the guys who created RENO 911 were rewritten by the guys who wrote FREDDY VS. JASON.
Woof!
Pirates 5 is a solid and popcorn friendly film. Pretty fresh for a fifth installment.
If they would go back and CG Blackbeards beard to be a black and purple smoldering and burning flame and singed for the entirety of the movie, it would be much better.
Baywatch has a 70 million dollar budget with international BO it should easily make over 150 million combined to make money. The series was horrible so not sure what people were expecting
honestly, idiots have money also and dont care about critics . is it a surprise? i mean, america is full of idiots. you dont need to change crap when they still pay for it, you know? if its not broke dont fix it.
“99 little bugs in the code. Take one down, patch it around. 99999 little bugs in the code.”