Talk:SIG Pro

Article name

I wonder... would this article be better named SIG Pro Series? Opinions? Thernlund ^{(Talk | Contribs)} 05:19, 31 December 2006 (UTC)

I think the current title is fine. The article needs some serious work though... Koalorka (talk) 15:15, 11 February 2009 (UTC)

Requested move =

SIG Pro → SIG Sauer Pro Series — The SIG Sauer P220, SIG Sauer P226, SIG Sauer P230, SIG Sauer P238 and SIG Sauer P239 are all "SIG Sauer", not "SIG". Consistency is good. The pistol is being sold by SIG Sauer now as the SIG Sauer SP2022. Faceless Enemy (talk) 18:43, 28 June 2010 (UTC)

moved, uncontroversial request

Note: the word "series" has been made lower case as it is not a proper noun. billinghurst sDrewth 13:43, 6 July 2010 (UTC)

SIG Pro was the original trademarked name - USPTO Trademark 76087568 - D.E. Watters (talk) 22:57, 26 April 2018 (UTC)

Additional Information

If someone wants to add this to the main article:
The SPC 2022's dimensions are:
Barrel Length: 91mm
Sight Length: 142mm
Total Length: 180mm
Width: 35mm
Height: 135mm
Weight (with empty magazine): 790g
Capacity: 15 + 1 rounds
Years of Manufacture: 2004 - 2007
Trigger Pull: (Single Action) 2.0 kp (kilopond)
(Double Action) 4.5 kp

Origin and designers

Can we really prove that it was designed in the US? The German patents first filed in 1997 would seem to point to the European parent company, then named SIG Arms International AG. The designers are Theobald Förster (Swiss), Rudolf Fuchs (German), Joachim Schmidt (German), Sebastian Rost (Swiss), and Marcel Rutz (Swiss.) The US patent applications followed a year later.

https://patents.google.com/patent/DE19711730C2 https://patents.google.com/patent/DE19732656C2 https://patents.google.com/patent/DE19755679A1

They certainly were not always completely manufactured in the US as that is part of the reason the German government has been pursuing legal actions against the German firm in recent years. The SP2022 sold to Colombia were first exported to the US, and then sold to the Colombians via a Foreign Military Sale (FMS) administered by the US Army (W52H09-09-D-0158.) D.E. Watters (talk) 23:29, 26 April 2018 (UTC)

According to media reports following the introduction of the SIG SP2022 to the French police, this weapon line is not a US development:

https://www.letemps.ch/societe/un-pistolet-suisse-equipe-forces-lordre-francaises

There are also pictures of the first SP2009 weapons made in Switzerland, where you can read the origin “frame made in Switzerland”:

https://www.swisswaffen.com/bilder/sig-pro-sp2009/a5t1pwoc3f6k.jpg

And there are pictures of the SP2022 from German production where you can read the origin “made in Germany”:

https://www.swisswaffen.com/bilder/sig-pro-sp2022/a0dmd03p2e70.jpg

This, and the aforementioned patents, raise doubts about the statement: “developed and manufactured by SIG Sauer in Exeter, New Hampshire.” Innominabilis (talk) 21:58, 11 May 2024 (UTC)

Pictures not supported by a reliable secondary source making the claim are not acceptable sources for Wikipedia content, as they fail multiple inclusion policies. So no, the only person raising doubts about the statement is you, the single-purpose-account who is disruptively editing multiple SIG related articles to push commercial links and make unsupported claims not supported by a reliable secondary source without attempting to achieve consensus. ⇒SWATJester ^{Shoot Blues, Tell VileRat!} 22:04, 11 May 2024 (UTC)

Quote: A Swiss invention and manufactured in Germany, the Sig Sauer pistol has conquered a new market. The French security services are currently equipping themselves with a new handgun: the SP 2022 automatic pistol. A first order for 38,000 weapons was placed in July 2003. Ultimately, 270,000 new pistols will be produced. Following a call for tenders which put several arms firms into competition, the German company Sauer was chosen to manufacture the pistols under Swiss license.

source: https://www.letemps.ch/societe/un-pistolet-suisse-equipe-forces-lordre-francaises by Pierre Chambonnet Published on February 13, 2004 at 01:13. Innominabilis (talk) 22:29, 11 May 2024 (UTC)

Do not combine material from multiple sources to reach or imply a conclusion not explicitly stated by any source. Similarly, do not combine different parts of one source to reach or imply a conclusion not explicitly stated by the source. -- from WP:SYNTH which I've asked you repeatedly to read. Your given quote states "the Sig Saber pistol" is a Swiss invention and manufactured in Germany; it does not say that the SIG Pro specifically is. It makes claims to who will manufacture the SP2022, it does not make claims as to where the SIG Pro in general was designed and manufactured. This is exactly the kind of thing we disallow on Wikipedia because it constitutes original research -- you need to provide a reliable secondary source that *directly* makes the claim referenced, especially when a source already exists that contradicts your conclusion. ⇒SWATJester ^{Shoot Blues, Tell VileRat!} 23:01, 11 May 2024 (UTC)